I just wanted to put a post here about a new lay product available, called Laying Seven.
You may very well have seen an email about it. I bought a copy with the intention of trialling it on the blog over the next week or so, but I am afraid it will not even make the cut.
The ’system’ comprises of six steps. Luckily for us, all of the variables can be researched with my software, so I interrogated it to find out past performance.
Between 1991 and 1997, the horses in question actually made decent profits, meaning that a layer would have lost even before the inflated odds you need to lay on betfair.
Since 1998, you’d have a strike rate of 82.25% (not bad at all), but - after betfair odds on average 16% higher, and paying 5% commission on correct lays, you’d have lost £150!
So, not big losses but certainly not a system I’m going to bother with.
Incidentally, if you used a rolling 5% of your bank per lay, and started with 20 points, you’d have been out of cash pretty quickly.
What narked me still further about this system was the post script:
“Improving Strike Rate
The Second Favourite Laying System should generate
between 80 and 90 % Strike Rate or, stated another way,
80 to 90 of every 100 of your Lay Bets should have a
successful outcome, ie. the horse will lose the event.
If this is not the case, you will have to tighten your
selection criteria along the following lines:
1. Introduce further selection limitations on the “Last Run”
criteria. This may be in terms of an increase to 14 or even
21 days as the time period in which the horse has not had
an outing.
2. Tighten up the “Previous Results” specification to ensure
that the horse has not attained first or second place in three
or more previous outings. Alternatively, specify that it
must not have been placed in the specified number of past
races, ie. 1st, 2nd or 3rd, so a 1, 2 or 3 should not appear in
the Form list for the most recent outings.
The alteration of these criteria should ensure an increase in
Strike Rate but remember that by tightening the criteria
your number of potential selections will reduce
accordingly. Some Laying Systems produce very few
selections, in some cases only a handful every week, but
their Strike Rate is very good, which is the most important
aspect of any Laying System.”
Now I don’t know about you, but for me a system should not require tweaking. It either works or it doesn’t work. Saying, “If this is not the case you will need to tighten your selection criteria” is preposterous. What will the author be doing? Is he suggesting that the system doesn’t work himself with this statement?
I have to concede to a belief that the writer of this product, and a number of other (very) similar products, is a fly by night. It’s hard to get hold of him, and he uses some fairly sharp practices as well.
There are a number of ‘experts’ quoted on the sales letter, and at least one of them I am surprised to see associated with this.
My advice is don’t buy this - there are much better products available, such as the Racing Secrets [Exposed] system which was reviewed on these pages.
If you’ve already bought a copy of Laying Seven, you do of course retain the option to request a refund, if you so wish.
I won’t be reviewing this product and I will be requesting a refund. Not for me or for the pages of Nag3.
Matt
June 26th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
I bought products from this crowd before, i.e. Lay to Profit, Easy Trader Pro, Soccer Star System, etc., and they were all rubbish! Then when I tried to claim a "no quibble refund" I never even got the courtesy of a reply!
All the endorsees of Lay Seven seem to be in collusion and they have the amazing skill to be able to come up with yet another unique and massively profitable Betfair system EVERY WEEK!!
Avoid these cowboys like the plague coz if they REALLY KNEW how to make piles of cash on Betfair they wouldn't be telling ANYBODY else how to do the same!
Laying horses on Betfair is a mug's game anyway - with the massively inflated odds available it makes far more sense to back winners!
June 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
How was it possible to lay before Betfair existed? Except for those in the industry, of course.
June 27th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
I took your advice & stumped up my cash for the Racing secrets [exposed] thing. I hope it comes through for me, as I've not had luck with systems before, and am pretty disalusioned.
I paid for it (and will lay with it) with money won by following the racing selections on BBC radio 4's today programme. I started in april with £10 & now have over £60. He's had a bit of a losing streak in the last week, but so far has been lucky.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:45 am
Matt, great site.
As for Fatbarry, words of what sounds like a compulsive loser!
I have been a pro-gambler since the late 90's, and part of my job is reviewed eBooks.
The software I've written into Betangel Pro, and have been using the last two years, basically matches what I read in Easy Trader Pro, when I reviewed it this year, and the methods work well, and do profit.
However, trading is not easy, and as with all gambling, information given is only 50% of the ammunition required to profit. The other 50% is the punters own work on trading/betting correctly, bank managing, risk assessment, staking, etc. Get any of them wrong, and you will fail. This is why 99.3% of people do not profit from gambling, as they can’t be bothered and want it all put on a plate for them. It does not work that way. If it did, I wouldn’t be spending 12 hours a day, 7 days a week gambling & researching. The latter being a constant must.
As for a refund on the product, I’ve contacted the owner no problems, and anyway, all these are sold through Clickbank, you contact them, you get a refund, no questions. Fatbarry couldn’t even be bothered chasing up his own money!!
And as for ‘Not telling anyone’ about the ‘secrets’, why shouldn’t they? I run a lot of websites offering free information. Why? Because I want to help people who are not in the same situation as me. It is as easy as that.
Most of these eBooks are crap, but some are decent enough, and a little research across the net works wonders. That is how I discovered this useful site, now bookmarked.